[NOTICE]Issue with Mission: Tigres Prison rewards.

Snowflake

Active member
Mar 22, 2021
35
139
Dear players,
It has come to attention that players are concerned with the current rewards of the mission compared to last week, this will be my explanation for it.
I am to inform everyone that I am but one, we don't have a team as developers, with that said I can only do test simulations on test server with some help from players who offer a hand. The first week of release is set to be the period where I gather data, data that I cannot get by myself alone: Difficulty averaging; how many can finish it; average time period to finish it; frequency of rewards; boss behavior during their stat improvement. As I am keen in observing these stats during the last week, there are things that will break live server economy in the long run, with that in mind I have placed the same method of other roulettes in terms of limit. I will clarify, there is no nerf in roulette.

It can be really rewarding, experiencing the first week's rewards. In a player's POV those rewards are really good, for me it can be so good that it can be bad after a while, market price for such items suddenly dropped down. I don't want to have this influx to have an irrepairable damage to economy.

Rates are still the same, possibility list is still the same as last week. A quick explanation of how the limiting works:
Total limit: 20 Timelimitcount: 5 Countdown: 12, When an item has been rewarded 5 times, it will turn into cooldown for 12hours until it will show up again. Until it exhausts all total 20 and needs maintenance for replenishing/reset. This system ensures that the items will not exhaust its limit the first few days of the week, good rewards will still be able to roll out even on the day before maint. Although I cannot say the same if the item has a lower limit like 1 or 5.

For Cemeterio: Both easy and hard share the same roulette, the only difference is hard gives more growth stones and has a chance to drop 5 elemental accessory recipe, easy mode has a weaker version of the Final Renolde.

This is the link for roulette rates of Mission: Tigres Prison.

Before the revamp, this raid was not on anyone's list, therefore I wanted more people to group together and play rather than playing with few and just having alts as buffers, though this still happens I have observed more and more public organized runs which makes me think they are making friends while playing. That also includes the group levelling for Grand Master. The question of: Is it worth to run? is subjective, anyone can just ignore the raid itself if they deem it not worth their time and the rewards are lackluster for them. Currently Tigres Prison has the best possible rewards which includes multitude of world boss drops and other existing raids combined.


Suggestions and feedback are always welcome, I always read so comment down below what are your thoughts.


Thank you
Sincerely,
Snow
 

chikodaniel

Well-known member
Mar 30, 2020
54
20
It's "worth to do" but it's on a hit or miss state, means or you can get your vis back by getting a nice loot or you can get nothing from it losing vis just by doing it

Right now people does Quiri because it has 100m guaranteed just by doing it (the Quiri Essenses) plus all the items you can get by roulette, but Tigres right now not, you have to invest a lot of vis on gear and a lot of vis in buffs on each run just to get a nice item or get 100 nucleus

Tbh, Tigres may be a good raid but needs some tweaks, maybe add some guaranteed drop like Ancient Pages on Renauld (Still not a problem as if he drops 1 page daily, you need 40 days just for 1 book and make a Distro System on your clan to make it fair for people)

Right now, people is thinking about do or not, from my part, i really think about skip it as it needs 1-2 hours to clear and a well geared players just to get 20 WGB and 100 Nucleus
 

dlinkvtv

New member
May 17, 2020
1
2
As said, i also think the roulette like the first week was broken af. It should be changed but not that bad like it is now. Tigress is the only raid give at page to exchange stance. But its rare and other rewards are just too bad for ppls want to do. And as Snow said its a group raid. But if the rewards that bad how could we can find ppls to do it?
Imagine you have to group up like 8~9 ppls, with tanker,dps,debuffers,buffers and then they realize ehh bro? why you bring me to a long run raid to just get chips,nu cleus and some feso that maybe just enough to buy soul crystal? And boom, we cant find enough ppls for raids anymore.
Sometimes its hard to group up as different time zones.
I think add AT pages into more missions is good then ppl has more options.
 

mamaha

New member
Jun 6, 2020
2
0
change nulcear to some value item like vis i think will be better, as you add limitation on items. there is high possibility that a whole team get nothing. And i think many people have met this in past 2 days. got some vis at least can help people get their pay back. The current situation is that we spend 1 or 2 hours and many food buff potions and get 300 nuclear and maybe 20m vis.
 

ArcherRojas

Member
Apr 10, 2020
13
1
you could also give some EJ in roulette so ppl feel more interested on the raid that will also ensure that lots of ppl will gather and raid together
 

meganthropus

New member
Apr 8, 2020
1
0
maybe if you put ancient stance in nucleus shop, they will be happy.
but really if you put ancient page limit for a total 48pages per week total and also very low chance, i wonder if people will even consider farming pages when they need 40pages, and there's 5 stances O.O, and need 5E grade weapon at least to be viable.
ancient stances become a paywall of some sort for this game now. i thought this private server wanna combat that kind of paywall like in official server.

also to consider,if population still playing with valeron+7, sdb armor, with some deus/aa weapon in the mix. they will not able to do this high raid content like TG or have the time to organize that many ppl or waiting some imba whale carrying their dps. (note we only hv 500ppl login, how many of them can raid or organize for TG?)
maybe if you just lower the difficulty, then everyone can play/farm without stress for TG. make the reward similar to rrhm/bbh/quiri early floor then it is still worth to do daily TG.
all in all, im leaning on make ancient stance page more available for lower difficulty raids.
or perhaps this private server want to follow official server method with its exclusivity barrier for whales.
 
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Cangs2high

New member
Nov 29, 2020
1
0
First week, i play tigres. i am happy.
Next week, i play tigress, i have nucleus PTSD !
Wonderful !
 

legendecoy

Member
Jul 4, 2020
6
0
Totally understand your reasonings but... setting a limit is still a nerf to the roulette though (this contradicts from what you said in Discord "There is no buff or nerf").
Still, thank you for being transparent about this.
 

moajamir

New member
May 15, 2020
4
1
If you plan to make the roulettes and drops as nerfed and so awfull as this, please consider lowering the HP of the boss, so that the raid can be faster, that TG raid is freaking 2hrs, ppl are getting stressed out doing that raid, and all this for crystal nucleus and master chips.
Its a daily mission, imagine doing this everyday, you lose ur sanity doing it, therefore jst lower the hp of the boss so that ppl can do it faster. Ty
 
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BlackCoffee

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Apr 9, 2020
19
6
If you plan to make the roulettes and drops as nerfed and so awfull as this, please consider lowering the HP of the boss, so that the raid can be faster, that TG raid is freaking 2hrs, ppl are getting stressed out doing that raid, and all this for crystal nucleus and master chips.
Its a daily mission, imagine doing this everyday, you lose ur sanity doing it, therefore jst lower the hp of the boss so that ppl can do it faster. Ty
I agree to this. Maybe Snow needs to go with us to see for himself how tough it is, then all you get are crap rewards. If that limiting works, then I should have gotten anything good. But all I got this week are master chips and crystallized nucleus. Lower the difficulty of tigress and everything will be fair.
 

Arcanine

Developer
Staff member
Mar 28, 2020
434
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I agree to this. Maybe Snow needs to go with us to see for himself how tough it is, then all you get are crap rewards. If that limiting works, then I should have gotten anything good. But all I got this week are master chips and crystallized nucleus. Lower the difficulty of tigress and everything will be fair.
Hard mode is hard for a reason like he said in the post.

Is it worth to run? is subjective, anyone can just ignore the raid itself if they deem it not worth their time and the rewards are lackluster for them. Currently Tigres Prison has the best possible rewards which includes multitude of world boss drops and other existing raids combined.
 

Noir317

Active member
Nov 20, 2020
29
8
maybe if you put ancient stance in nucleus shop, they will be happy.
but really if you put ancient page limit for a total 48pages per week total and also very low chance, i wonder if people will even consider farming pages when they need 40pages, and there's 5 stances O.O, and need 5E grade weapon at least to be viable.
ancient stances become a paywall of some sort for this game now. i thought this private server wanna combat that kind of paywall like in official server.

also to consider,if population still playing with valeron+7, sdb armor, with some deus/aa weapon in the mix. they will not able to do this high raid content like TG or have the time to organize that many ppl or waiting some imba whale carrying their dps. (note we only hv 500ppl login, how many of them can raid or organize for TG?)
maybe if you just lower the difficulty, then everyone can play/farm without stress for TG. make the reward similar to rrhm/bbh/quiri early floor then it is still worth to do daily TG.
all in all, im leaning on make ancient stance page more available for lower difficulty raids.
or perhaps this private server want to follow official server method with its exclusivity barrier for whales.
Nucleus shop is the reason Lama became an alt stance. Some players should be able to solo Quinitula/Bible/Quiritatio, especially with more than 2 alts. This results in lots of stances (?) every month. In my opinion ancient stances should be mission boss drops just like in Official, so bringing alts won’t necessarily affect it...
 

hazardb

Member
Nov 24, 2020
22
11
Dear players,
It has come to attention that players are concerned with the current rewards of the mission compared to last week, this will be my explanation for it.
I am to inform everyone that I am but one, we don't have a team as developers, with that said I can only do test simulations on test server with some help from players who offer a hand. The first week of release is set to be the period where I gather data, data that I cannot get by myself alone: Difficulty averaging; how many can finish it; average time period to finish it; frequency of rewards; boss behavior during their stat improvement. As I am keen in observing these stats during the last week, there are things that will break live server economy in the long run, with that in mind I have placed the same method of other roulettes in terms of limit. I will clarify, there is no nerf in roulette.

It can be really rewarding, experiencing the first week's rewards. In a player's POV those rewards are really good, for me it can be so good that it can be bad after a while, market price for such items suddenly dropped down. I don't want to have this influx to have an irrepairable damage to economy.

Rates are still the same, possibility list is still the same as last week. A quick explanation of how the limiting works:
Total limit: 20 Timelimitcount: 5 Countdown: 12, When an item has been rewarded 5 times, it will turn into cooldown for 12hours until it will show up again. Until it exhausts all total 20 and needs maintenance for replenishing/reset. This system ensures that the items will not exhaust its limit the first few days of the week, good rewards will still be able to roll out even on the day before maint. Although I cannot say the same if the item has a lower limit like 1 or 5.

For Cemeterio: Both easy and hard share the same roulette, the only difference is hard gives more growth stones and has a chance to drop 5 elemental accessory recipe, easy mode has a weaker version of the Final Renolde.

This is the link for roulette rates of Mission: Tigres Prison.

Before the revamp, this raid was not on anyone's list, therefore I wanted more people to group together and play rather than playing with few and just having alts as buffers, though this still happens I have observed more and more public organized runs which makes me think they are making friends while playing. That also includes the group levelling for Grand Master. The question of: Is it worth to run? is subjective, anyone can just ignore the raid itself if they deem it not worth their time and the rewards are lackluster for them. Currently Tigres Prison has the best possible rewards which includes multitude of world boss drops and other existing raids combined.


Suggestions and feedback are always welcome, I always read so comment down below what are your thoughts.


Thank you
Sincerely,
Snow
i agree with others , beginning was little to broken but now no more item that other people get before example Oscuras Ring etc that also not fair please higher this a little again