[PENDING]Option to exchange R7 to lower Rank token

cuteday90

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Apr 3, 2020
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Hello,

With majority of the players farming R7 only, I would like to propose the idea of having options for us to 1:1 exchange R7 token to lower ranks ie. R6 R5 within R7 shop.

It helps to overcome the limitation of 32,767 without changing any purchase limit of the rank shop. In the end, we only have 200 stamina and I personally don't mind the difference in stamina required between lower rank and higher ones

What do you guys think?
 

Dianmir

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Suggestion status has been changed to [PENDING].

From a technical point of view this is easy to do. I am hesistating though since I don't know how this effects the market.
We kindly ask players to give their opinion (pros/cons) on this topic.
 

DelFierre

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Dec 7, 2020
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I'm against that. The lower rank missions are easy enough as it is. Besides, they also add achievements, and none too bad. We already have perfectly fine options to gain lower rank tokens, in my opinion, people who ask for that exchange are just lazy to do the lower ranks.
In truth, it is positive that if you need a specific token rank, you have to do the missions. May encourage people to do them with rotation characters more often (given the rotation of the week allows it).
 
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Elite_Le_Nub

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Nov 23, 2020
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Shouldnt do it.
This will devalue the master chips, which are already too many on the market at a low price.
Master chips - the most frequent drop from roulette on the 7th rank
 
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chikodaniel

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Mar 30, 2020
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Shouldnt do it.
This will devalue the master chips, which are already too many on the market at a low price.
Master chips - the most frequent drop from roulette on the 7th rank
Actually, they drop more on R6, you can go and test by yourself
 

cuteday90

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Apr 3, 2020
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I'm against that. The lower rank missions are easy enough as it is. Besides, they also add achievements, and none too bad. We already have perfectly fine options to gain lower rank tokens, in my opinion, people who ask for that exchange are just lazy to do the lower ranks.
In truth, it is positive that if you need a specific token rank, you have to do the missions. May encourage people to do them with rotation characters more often (given the rotation of the week allows it).
I am not asking to nerf R7 mission, I am opting to do an objectively more difficult mission while getting a lower rank rewards. If the aim is to encourage more participation in lower rank mission, then please enlighten me why is extra achievement given to R7 mission only?

And yes, you're right that people are just lazy to do the lower rank mission, I am one of them, that's why I was suggesting to let me do the R7 mission only and exchange the token of lower rank despite the higher rank mission costs more stamina than lower. This is a QoL change, and there tons of modification we have in this server for the lazy people, I don't know why this is a problem.

Shouldnt do it.
This will devalue the master chips, which are already too many on the market at a low price.
Master chips - the most frequent drop from roulette on the 7th rank
The amount of activity a person can have per month remains constant, how am I supposed to spam if I dont have enough Karin ? And you make it sound like farming R7 is an pleasant thing to do. What's your R7 achievement?

Also, purchase limit per month is in place and this is the exact reason why it's there in the first place - to prevent abuse and spamming. I can have 100k R7 token in my bag but there's only so much that I can buy every month, and also the chips from shop are event version with limitation of 240 per month. How is this going to affect the market?

We had 1Vis event 2 weeks back and Master Chip now still remains at 200k+. That says something isn't it? My point is, having this change doesn't make people farm more R7 ok because of stamina limitation; and those who have Karin and stamina will still farm it eventually regardless this change being implemented or not.
 
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Almengor

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Apr 17, 2020
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There is no point to do that:
R6 use less points
R7 hav different roullete
Both shop hav a limit
Both missions are really easy after some gear upgrade you can doit in less than 15 secs
In the end the applications for such change are very limited and just make ppl more lazy and burn fast from spam the same mission over and over until die from boredom, at least forcing them to do the specific rank to get the specific prize seems a little less boring. No need to mention we hav a great QoL change on select any of the mission we want from that rank Wich make game more diverse and fun, pretty sure no one enjoy doing the same mission thousand of time over and over and over.
 

cuteday90

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Apr 3, 2020
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There is no point to do that:
R6 use less points
R7 hav different roullete
Both shop hav a limit
Both missions are really easy after some gear upgrade you can doit in less than 15 secs
In the end the applications for such change are very limited and just make ppl more lazy and burn fast from spam the same mission over and over until die from boredom, at least forcing them to do the specific rank to get the specific prize seems a little less boring. No need to mention we hav a great QoL change on select any of the mission we want from that rank Wich make game more diverse and fun, pretty sure no one enjoy doing the same mission thousand of time over and over and over.
Then those who are bored of doing same mission thousand times over and over can choose to do R6 or lower rank instead which is more beneficial for them. What is the exact problem here i don't know?
 
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Almengor

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Then those who are bored of doing same mission thousand times over and over can choose to do R6 or lower rank instead which is more beneficial for them. What is the exact problem here i don't know?
It only benefits players who spam rank 7, who can spam rank 7? Ppl who spend in cs journals bc is the easiest way to get karins potions, that since they decide to put a limit on the bounty hunter shop karins, in the end it becomes pw2, it’s my opinion.
 

chikodaniel

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Mar 30, 2020
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It only benefits players who spam rank 7, who can spam rank 7? Ppl who spend in cs journals bc is the easiest way to get karins potions, that since they decide to put a limit on the bounty hunter shop karins, in the end it becomes pw2, it’s my opinion.
Lol that ain't truth
You can easily get a lot of karins by playing
 

cuteday90

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Apr 3, 2020
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It only benefits players who spam rank 7, who can spam rank 7? Ppl who spend in cs journals bc is the easiest way to get karins potions, that since they decide to put a limit on the bounty hunter shop karins, in the end it becomes pw2, it’s my opinion.
First of all, we are not discussing about the source of Karin here in this topic, it doesn't matter whether they get it from cash shop or by playing. However if you feel that it's a problem, maybe you can raise it in another topic. On a side note, do you actually call this a p2w when the person who gets Karin from cash shop spend hours of manual farming in R7?

Secondly, as I mentioned multiple times above, those who have Karin will still farm Ranked Mission no matter what. I don't know why you guys have this idea that people will spam it non stop after this change. The fact is that if I have 1,000 Karin with me (and obviously this doesn't happen every day), which is equivalent to 200,000 Stamina, I will still use it on ranked mission. Period. I can use it this month, or next month, or next 2 months, and in the end you will still see the amount of chips I put into the market as a result of farming. And of course you can still use Karin on lower rank and no one has any issue with that. Again, to make my point clear, having this change won't give me more than what I can currently do with these Karin.

Thirdly, correct me if I am wrong, the 32,767 limitation was never an intention to prevent any sort of mission spamming. It's a technical limitation that can't be overcome. So let's not use this as the intention to limit R7 farming. Most importantly, farming Master Chips won't make you filthy rich and won't break the game :) Or rather, these farmers are actually more active than those who farm using space bar mode, don't you think so?
 
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Almengor

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Apr 17, 2020
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What you suggest is spam r7 non stop and buy all stuff from r7 and r6/r5/r4 etc etc, what that means is ppl will do rank 7 everytime, everyday since in theory it can be unlimited, I don’t see anything bad with that since it’s a choice but then there is no need to anyone do any lower rank mission anymore. Just spam Kranus and get all you want from any rank shop. I feel that just make the game more boring and repetitive instead of diverse and fun.
 

chikodaniel

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Mar 30, 2020
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What you suggest is spam r7 non stop and buy all stuff from r7 and r6/r5/r4 etc etc, what that means is ppl will do rank 7 everytime, everyday since in theory it can be unlimited, I don’t see anything bad with that since it’s a choice but then there is no need to anyone do any lower rank mission anymore. Just spam Kranus and get all you want from any rank shop. I feel that just make the game more boring and repetitive instead of diverse and fun.
but thats the choice of the user, other people will just go and farm R6 or R5 or R4 or R3, it will be optional
 

Aithus

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Jan 21, 2021
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What if the conversion is done only between different ranks:
  • Batch down:
    • 1*R7=2*R3
    • 1*R6=2*R2
    • 1*R5=2*R1
    • R4 no conversion
  • Batch up:
    • 4*R1=1*R2
    • 4*R2=1*R3
    • and so on for all
In this case users will still need to do High rank missions and even collect the bottom rank rewards and in case they urgently need some higher rank tokens they can use the bottom rank tokens.
Software wise, should already be in place in the enchant chip exchanger just writing the conditions.