[ACCEPTED]Character Balancing

BabyVenus

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Mar 30, 2020
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of course the point of every business is to earn profit no matter how people try to sugarcoat it. Love it or not, each characters are created with the sole purpose in mind; to earn money. Then new char will comes along to break the current meta chain and nada nada nada, the same situation will end up again. And that is also the reason why there is segregation of each tier of characters. There is already official nerf and its a good thing that this server is following that, instead of CERTAIN players that can't find the proper balance and keep requesting for 'candies treat', end of story.
 
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Obscura

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Mar 30, 2020
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If there is a character that gets nerfed, "WHY YOU NERF MY CHARACTER QQQQQQQQQQQ__QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ"
 

inamoka

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Apr 5, 2020
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Sometimes it is not the PVP character is too OP, maybe our PVP skills is lousy.
Requesting nerfing the character is one thing but how about those player who invest time/items on that character? If you are on their shoes what you will feel?
 

Sophistique

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Mar 29, 2020
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If u are getting 1 shot from 20 meters doesn’t matter which gear it has nothing to do with Skill just kills the Game ;) .
But ofc Rene caisse users will defend jaja .

and no costumize nerf ? By this logic we need to redo canna nerf that was also costumize .

I am a Canna user and I didn’t cry a single time ;)
 

cjhurt

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Apr 20, 2020
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as far as xpvp goes chungha is rediculously over powered. i think she is the only character that can oneshot my team and one character has a shield with -21%human and 34dr base armor. i dont care much for pve really. she is fine where she is. im not sure for field pvp

rcaisse is not at all op in xpvp. i cant one shot or get close to it using valeron. very vunerable after using a skill. i am thinking of replacing him in my team for xpvp already. field pvp he is very strong. it is just the nature of the large caliber rifle though. hermes would 1 shot everyone for sure too. ignores a lot of def and has very high attack
 

Arcanine

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Watch your language please, it is important for a discussion to have rational arguments rather then letting emotions get the better of ourselves.
Nerf only in world cross pvp omg you guys don't even play world cross pvp and you say no nerfs go fucking play world cross pvp and you'll see why they need a fucking nerf
 

chikodaniel

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Mar 30, 2020
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Yes, Chunha is op but no as Master Sergeant Barrel used to be, she may be god of Ranks and currently the best phys dps on game but she has some downfalls that MSG didn't had, problems with her are the same all melee dps have, you can't use her for everything

Some bosses hit splash damage and she get destroyed by those bosses even when she uses leather and shes still behind on damage compared to old good days of MSG
just let her be, whats the point on gear chars if latter they will become useless
 

Vehadi

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Apr 10, 2020
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Nerf what is needed to be nerfed :) we follow official patch right? like how MSG trash got nerfed on official....if chungha got nerfed on the official patch that we are following..then Nerf her to be fair on the nerf of MSG trash :D

that's all and I thank you!
 

ic3kill3r

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Apr 18, 2020
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If u are getting 1 shot from 20 meters doesn’t matter which gear it has nothing to do with Skill just kills the Game ;) .
But ofc Rene caisse users will defend jaja .

and no costumize nerf ? By this logic we need to redo canna nerf that was also costumize .

I am a Canna user and I didn’t cry a single time ;)
you're also a Merc calyce user despite saying being and "invisible hater" yourself. One shotting all soft characters ( u cant expect a meat shield rkess ) while you're playing glass attribute and not dying because people can't see you isn't skills either. Just kills the game. By this logic nerf MCC too please. Any no brainer can just get an xbow and go glass attribute and rack up kills. To be fair that Cleo AOE got Nerf while Merc Calyce didn't.

Rkess > 1 kills at a time
Merc calyce > 10-20kills ez Clique battle points

P.s its 18m not 20m.
 

cjhurt

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Apr 20, 2020
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so many chungha abusers on this forum lol. yes you invested into that character. dian wants to balance her with top tier pvp still. for those complaining about pve i dont think he is even going to change that. if you have played xworld pvp you will find that chungha doesnt really have a counter including rkess. i use a tank which should counter physical damage. i dont have a single problem with rkess in xpvp. but get killed 1 hit by only chungha with worse weapons then most other chars lol. also just want to add for those that invested in her weapon sand armor. would you like me to make a list of characters that use a sword and leather armor? not a very valid argument. invested in like 1/3 of the characters in the game with those 2 items. this server is made for fun not money. seeing how the characters were likely released very recently. they were made over powered to sell better and honestly deserve a balance nerf. they will still be top tier most likely sense dian thinks it through. wont be an over nerf like rge did to peltast once. MSB is still top dps really, i've seen him do a ton of damage after his nerf. you all act like chungha will not be worth using because the word nerf was used.
 

Cheidt

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Apr 12, 2020
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Chung ha are OP , im very honest with that. She can use her skills to OHKO you, But i do find some people who can't even be ohko in wxpvp. Sometimes chung ha are also useless when you can play smartly using range character to counter her. There are many characters that are used in wxpvp and whoever go with chung doesn't always win.
 

sanklero

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You promised to follow the official patch
Remember Barrol situation? Ppl were mad! But at least u wrote about nerf BEFORE ppl got HM stone. So, when they came to cry in discord we said "be kind to check patch notes next time. it was there 2 weeks ago"
So, what about Chungha and RCaisse? There was no warning. Ppl spent a lot of resources to gear her. Broke alot of weapons, spam rank for karin/weapon/armors. It's a spit in the face? Next time we will gear Canna or whatever and u will nerf her again(coz of some cry babies), so our items/rings will be useless. I dont like the idea, Dian. If ppl crying about xpvp, give them fixed mode. Yeah my +7valeron ile fking ppl hard, THAT'S WHY I MADE IT!
Open World PVP
Chungha - oneshot fiesta
RCaisse - oneshot fiesta
Don't lie dude. Caisse can't do anything to u without his x2 buffs (self and stance buff) do I have time to buff myself? Only if there are more players on my side. If 1vs1 prob fail. Chungha suks also(open world PVP) coz I have to use first stance skill to reach 2stance and usually I'm dying after 1 skill haha. And dude, trust me if u play vs chungha/rcaisse (open world pvp) 70% of them got +7 val with top human stat and 20% of them +6 val. That's why we made it. To kill. And yes, lil secret. Sometimes +7 val human stat with full buffs hurts
 

red20ro

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May 16, 2020
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It's like reading SJW related article.
Parading and marching and yelling.
Wanting the situation to bend the rules by their terms.

In case some of you are triggered by the supposed nerf,
It is only going to affect PVP.
Whatever you have spent to gear her for PVE is not affected.

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KingSlayer

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Apr 23, 2020
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The moment the server deviate against official patches on nerfs/boost, it loses its credibility, since it has been stated so many times that we are following official patches.

If there is a first custom nerf/boost in xpvp, there will be a second/third and so on, and maybe applied in pve as well.

Agree with sanklero that if the server made custom changes becoz a group of players demanded for it, it will be unfair to others who has invested in her.

Lose credibility = lose trust
 
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red20ro

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May 16, 2020
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Instead of dev wasting time on an issue that can take a very long time + tiring to be resolved, and can only satisfy a small amount of audience. (and will be a recurring issue at it too)

Best to have this KIV entirely, and focuses on a more important fix/feature, that benefit majority of the players.
 

CrownClown

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Mar 29, 2020
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Well...
It`s true that currently many of PvE aspects is designed around tonns of damage from modern DPS chars.
But simply being true don`t mean that it`s alright. I think that in that terms all the major OP DPS trio needs a nerf - MSB, Canna, Chungha. And a comparable buff to old underpowered DPS. My opinion only. But...
Every serious balance change is a double-edge blade. Especially nerfs, as basically everyone who use this char will QQ and vote against it. More changes- more QQ.

AGE staff is somewhat right in what they say about balance changes. It`s either "we have a fully re-balanced stuff" (A LOT of work, theorycraft, and customization. More customization => More possible bugs or glitches. That`s good if you`re IMC who have a full server&engine sources, and can live on selling contracts, but for small private server staff...? Full balance of the whole game can take years.) or " We`re going for vanilla KGE balance changes" (Still a good amount of work, as sometimes there`re changes above simple numbers. Like KGE dagger user reworks But at least it`s "you know what to expect", and due to having a huge delay- ppl can prepare for incoming changes.). Going mid-way can provoke both OP char users (who`ll QQ due to their chars being nerfed) and causual players (who`ll spam 100500 posts to buff\nerf chars they love or hate). I think it`s wise for AGE to NOT touch balance until it`s a critical serious problems. Just to avoid ppl rushing for a huge changes. red20ro is right, there`re already a lot of changes announced & coming, that`ll affect whole server population, instead of bringing balance-related drama to small groups.

As for RCaisse PvP...I`m not into PVP, actually, just mentioning.There was ppl who compared R.Caisse with Merc.Calyce. But there`re actually a big difference there right now. Thing is even tho Merc.Calyce is powerful (actually not SO powerful after all the nerfs), right after she went OP in CB there was a direct counter-pick introduced, being Moon with his Cancer buff (still LUL on this debuff name, even tho i have cancer IRL...).
R.Caisse is hardly countered by anything due to perfect stat combination- ATK + IDEF, allowing him to counter block-focused fighters like Ania.