[ACCEPTED]Character Balancing

AetherFaust

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Don't lie dude. Caisse can't do anything to u without his x2 buffs (self and stance buff) do I have time to buff myself? Only if there are more players on my side. If 1vs1 prob fail. Chungha suks also(open world PVP) coz I have to use first stance skill to reach 2stance and usually I'm dying after 1 skill haha. And dude, trust me if u play vs chungha/rcaisse (open world pvp) 70% of them got +7 val with top human stat and 20% of them +6 val. That's why we made it. To kill. And yes, lil secret. Sometimes +7 val human stat with full buffs hurts
That was simply my observation about openworld pvp, I'm not experienced enough to know better, that I admit :D
 

Darth_Bane

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As for RCaisse PvP...I`m not into PVP, actually, just mentioning.There was ppl who compared R.Caisse with Merc.Calyce. But there`re actually a big difference there right now. Thing is even tho Merc.Calyce is powerful (actually not SO powerful after all the nerfs), right after she went OP in CB there was a direct counter-pick introduced, being Moon with his Cancer buff (still LUL on this debuff name, even tho i have cancer IRL...).
R.Caisse is hardly countered by anything due to perfect stat combination- ATK + IDEF, allowing him to counter block-focused fighters like Ania.
Ppl always forget about invisers hah. R kess easy die from them and cant do so much. As for me with big exp with playing two kess in the field before his nerf, invis always was pain. His trap not so good for for pvp. For kill Edward, Asoka or Ania kess should have really big advantage with gears. Btw if high block chars wear metal with nice chip then gg for kess lel. Way for counter him a lot actually, just ppl dont like that ways probably or dont know.
 
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ic3kill3r

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Well...
It`s true that currently many of PvE aspects is designed around tonns of damage from modern DPS chars.
But simply being true don`t mean that it`s alright. I think that in that terms all the major OP DPS trio needs a nerf - MSB, Canna, Chungha. And a comparable buff to old underpowered DPS. My opinion only. But...
Every serious balance change is a double-edge blade. Especially nerfs, as basically everyone who use this char will QQ and vote against it. More changes- more QQ.

AGE staff is somewhat right in what they say about balance changes. It`s either "we have a fully re-balanced stuff" (A LOT of work, theorycraft, and customization. More customization => More possible bugs or glitches. That`s good if you`re IMC who have a full server&engine sources, and can live on selling contracts, but for small private server staff...? Full balance of the whole game can take years.) or " We`re going for vanilla KGE balance changes" (Still a good amount of work, as sometimes there`re changes above simple numbers. Like KGE dagger user reworks But at least it`s "you know what to expect", and due to having a huge delay- ppl can prepare for incoming changes.). Going mid-way can provoke both OP char users (who`ll QQ due to their chars being nerfed) and causual players (who`ll spam 100500 posts to buff\nerf chars they love or hate). I think it`s wise for AGE to NOT touch balance until it`s a critical serious problems. Just to avoid ppl rushing for a huge changes. red20ro is right, there`re already a lot of changes announced & coming, that`ll affect whole server population, instead of bringing balance-related drama to small groups.

As for RCaisse PvP...I`m not into PVP, actually, just mentioning.There was ppl who compared R.Caisse with Merc.Calyce. But there`re actually a big difference there right now. Thing is even tho Merc.Calyce is powerful (actually not SO powerful after all the nerfs), right after she went OP in CB there was a direct counter-pick introduced, being Moon with his Cancer buff (still LUL on this debuff name, even tho i have cancer IRL...).
R.Caisse is hardly countered by anything due to perfect stat combination- ATK + IDEF, allowing him to counter block-focused fighters like Ania.
She wrecks range/magic characters and even melee with decent armor. But u are right, Moon can detect invisible so in conclusion Merc Calyce counter is Moon. So same thing here, Rkess counters will be Invisible characters like Ctorche,Lorch,Mcalyce,Calyce,Ralph there's so many. Just because you cant kill him with your favourtie character doesn't mean theres NO character than can counter him. Can't penetrate armor? What do u expect. Its a huge gun and that's part of its concept. Hermes also does one shot in CB and no one complain because she cant mass kill. You shoot one fella next thing u know some invisible character comes and wipe u out. Everything has its counter. Doesn't mean you can't kill it with your favourite character means it should be nerf. That's just Arrogance. Dying is part of the game. This isn't 2006 granado espada anywhere where u have 4-5 DR higher and the whole server cant kill u where everything just go Tick tick xD
 

cjhurt

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She wrecks range/magic characters and even melee with decent armor. But u are right, Moon can detect invisible so in conclusion Merc Calyce counter is Moon. So same thing here, Rkess counters will be Invisible characters like Ctorche,Lorch,Mcalyce,Calyce,Ralph there's so many. Just because you cant kill him with your favourtie character doesn't mean theres NO character than can counter him. Can't penetrate armor? What do u expect. Its a huge gun and that's part of its concept. Hermes also does one shot in CB and no one complain because she cant mass kill. You shoot one fella next thing u know some invisible character comes and wipe u out. Everything has its counter. Doesn't mean you can't kill it with your favourite character means it should be nerf. That's just Arrogance. Dying is part of the game. This isn't 2006 granado espada anywhere where u have 4-5 DR higher and the whole server cant kill u where everything just go Tick tick xD
everything has its counter. i would like to know what counters chungha best in xpvp please. i currently use a tank character with shield and still get 1 shot. that would normally be a great counter to any physical damage. so sense that failed why not ask here for maybe a character to invest in that wont get killed with 1 skill. or can actually kill her before she is close enough for a skill. btw rkess does not accomplish this. i use +6 ile 4s in xpvp and cant even take half her hp usually with 2 skills. time to see what the counter is and if there really is not one i believe that there should definitely be a nerf. i dont want to play xpvp right now because i cant win against that 1 character. pretty annoying really
 

GlacialEmbra

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This is a private server. I came here to play a more balanced version of the game. There are like 212 characters and only a handful are "worth" using.
Its stupid. Shes too strong and everyone here knows it.
 

Zero5944

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everything has its counter. i would like to know what counters chungha best in xpvp please. i currently use a tank character with shield and still get 1 shot. that would normally be a great counter to any physical damage. so sense that failed why not ask here for maybe a character to invest in that wont get killed with 1 skill. or can actually kill her before she is close enough for a skill. btw rkess does not accomplish this. i use +6 ile 4s in xpvp and cant even take half her hp usually with 2 skills. time to see what the counter is and if there really is not one i believe that there should definitely be a nerf. i dont want to play xpvp right now because i cant win against that 1 character. pretty annoying really
Charlotte is a good counter to ChungHa, any other flying char is too only her hairpin can hit flying char and hairpin deal very low damage and can be use only one time.
 

Costataine

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everything has its counter. i would like to know what counters chungha best in xpvp please. i currently use a tank character with shield and still get 1 shot. that would normally be a great counter to any physical damage. so sense that failed why not ask here for maybe a character to invest in that wont get killed with 1 skill. or can actually kill her before she is close enough for a skill. btw rkess does not accomplish this. i use +6 ile 4s in xpvp and cant even take half her hp usually with 2 skills. time to see what the counter is and if there really is not one i believe that there should definitely be a nerf. i dont want to play xpvp right now because i cant win against that 1 character. pretty annoying really
Use cadet leo / rkess, cadet leo could give debuff fear which she can't attack or just go for dual cadet leo and keep knock her down
 

Costataine

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Charlotte is a good counter to ChungHa, any other flying char is too only her hairpin can hit flying char and hairpin deal very low damage and can be use only one time.
yes only 1x, but if she take of the sword and put it back, she will back to the first stance and you're dead
 

cjhurt

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Charlotte is a good counter to ChungHa, any other flying char is too only her hairpin can hit flying char and hairpin deal very low damage and can be use only one time.
does any1 even have lama yet lol? would love to play charlotte but im not even gonna get her til i have her stance honestly. sharon might be good maybe. but her first stance still does 1 shot lol. seen plenty of videos on discord of that. recently saw arcis take 180k dmg from her in xpvp screenshot using rkess and cleo on discord. pretty sure he lost badly and i bet that chungha using SD sword lol
 

Arcanine

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does any1 even have lama yet lol? would love to play charlotte but im not even gonna get her til i have her stance honestly. sharon might be good maybe. but her first stance still does 1 shot lol. seen plenty of videos on discord of that. recently saw arcis take 180k dmg from her in xpvp screenshot using rkess and cleo on discord. pretty sure he lost badly and i bet that chungha using SD sword lol
Chungha's hairpin attack 1 shot someone. You can unequip your item once you turn into second stance and requip item to spam hairpin attack on flying targets. I have Lama stance
 

diomenes666

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This is a private server. I came here to play a more balanced version of the game. There are like 212 characters and only a handful are "worth" using.
Its stupid. Shes too strong and everyone here knows it.
Tottaly agree, we must have a more balance cast of characters, many of them have great design but need an upgrade
 

Darth_Bane

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yes only 1x, but if she take of the sword and put it back, she will back to the first stance and you're dead
Too long actions in pvp. Need have really slowpoke opponent for win him like that lol. Opponent who good pvper kill you if you slower at least to 0,5 sec and for sure you get delay with re gear up. So her fly hit skill dont care
 

Darth_Bane

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Chungha's hairpin attack 1 shot someone. You can unequip your item once you turn into second stance and requip item to spam hairpin attack on flying targets. I have Lama stance
Only real paper can by 1 shot. This very weak skill.
 

cjhurt

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Espcially that Rene caisse Overpowerd skills in pvp with the range
you really hate that character dont you? im sure penelopes SB doesnt have a problem if she uses metal armor. we also have easy access to valeron weapons but not armor yet. could be part of the problem with rkess honestly. he also has only 1 aoe skill. if you can avoid that 1 skill with a damage character you win easy. yes i use rkess and havent used him much in field pvp but could be things to think about. tbh im curious how you would nerf his damage with the 1 weapon enough to not 1 shot. lcr is kinda made to hurt a lot. i think regular kess can 1 shot in pvp too
 

cjhurt

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Only real paper can by 1 shot. This very weak skill.
you do realize her "strong skills" do 250k dmg sometimes to like 80dr armors. so seeing how her "weak skill" can 1 shot flying characters(which i have seen a lot) with reduced xpvp dmg is a little bit rediculous. flying characters are all pretty squishy anyway lol. she can either 1 shot right at the start or get 1 skill off to kill other 2 chars and then you have plenty of time to take weapon off and replace to spam against the flying char. i just want her do do closer to average damage like everyone else who wants to play more then 2 characters in this server lol. apparently she is usless in field pvp so what would it hurt to nerf her pvp damage some for xpvp and leave the pve alone? currently if she got a 50% dmg reduction nerf for pvp she would STILL one shot most people lol (50% less dmg with a skill on my sco with +7 SD sword would still have been 125k dmg). not sure what dian has in mind to nerf her but she definitely needs it
 

Darth_Bane

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I think we just should make test val metal armor +7 with 15 def chip against + 7 val ile with 140 atk hm and dian can see all his "owerpower". I just remember how good alive with 17 def metal chip against kesses with +7 vals at eu so... I played with romina(btw one more char which rape kess). And kess was more pain there, dont forget he now nerfed. If you die even with block char with metal and good chip then your opponent got op gearsl. Also when ide buff rises to max he can be really pain for anyone but he fast waste that lvl ide and slow up it with ile.