[ACCEPTED]Character Balancing

Dianmir

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Hello!

We would like to hear our players giving feedback about two particular characters and their current state.
When talking about PVE and PVP balance characters Chungha and Resistance Caisse always get mentioned.
There are voices that Chungha is overpowered in both PVE and PVP, while Resistance Caisse is overpowered in PVP.

We have already backported official nerfs for both characters from higher game versions.
Now we would like to know, do you also see a problem with those characters? If yes, what is the problem?
Would you like to see them nerfed? Why or why not?

Important to know for players: Adjustments to characters can be made so they affect only PVE or PVP.
A change doesn't mean it will affect both aspects of the game. Currently the issue seems to be more on the PVP-side of the game.

Personally I am all in favor or adjusting the characters. Previous nerfs had quite some negative feedback from groups within community.
As a result we would like to have feedback first though before changing anything.
 
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Redsuns

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May 2, 2020
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1. Chungha
WXPVP damage too high.
2. R.Caisse
WXPVP damage too high.

Everything else fine, some characters bound to be broken in pve, can't nerf them forever.
 

Cheidt

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Apr 12, 2020
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why do we even need to nerf them anymore? everyone get the same chance to getting the same character.
I don't see any needs of balancing more for both of them.
 
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Megamind

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i can solo rank 7 with chungha but sure not with experiment, strata weap+armor +7 still only fight with some race, and still can fail.
Hardly nerf a char is braking the game really, it make player feel like betrayed by admin. Many of them play for casual PVE, invest in a char, then boom, that char's badly nerfed. It's sure not a good feeling.
 

kimchi85

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May 9, 2020
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why do we even need to nerf them anymore? everyone get the same chance to getting the same character.
I don't see any needs of balancing more for both of them.
lets all play Granado Chungha which defeats the purpose
 

aris77gr

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Chunga is definetly on the strong side when we talk about pve but other chars are comparable atm if same geared tbh. Examples are Cana/MSB so i dont think her PvE side needs a nerf. The nerf u did already brought her down to competitive for 1st spot dps on raids so i say her state is healthy for the PvE scene. PvP wise now she is pretty strong i cant argue with that.She is squishy yes but if properly geared she can pretty much 1 shot most chars in the game even on Xpvp with reduced stats.So if u can nerf her PvP side of things lets say treatment Charlotte had on her pvp power i say most people will be pleased. And lets be honest she is not a char fitted to do pvp with, ppl just use her cause of the 1 shot potential.

Now on the Ress Caisee matter. PvE he is completly fine.The problem lies on his PvP power and the amount of IDE and def/immun in general he can penetrate.The nerfs already made to him are pretty decent having a not 100% chance to burn is pretty substantial since before he just burned ppl from max range and it was the end for the opponent.But even that his pure basic inbuild stats are still pretty high. As i see it having his IDE and general penetration capabilites a bit toned down will help make him a more healthy char.
 

Costataine

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1. Chungha
Too OP
High DPS and survivability
Can solo rank 7 individual raid with experimental
Steam roll in pvp and pve


Need to nerf chungha
did you do rank 7 with experimental? because i can't survive with experimental..

1. Chungha
I believe her wxpvp damage ridiculously painful and need to be nerf, for her pve should be fine also she's already nerfed by following kge patch note, by nerfing her again in pve and not based on the original patch note might ruining her.

2.Rkess

the one shot range..... is hideous in wcpvp
 
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Zoufouille1

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Player has been warned for bad language. I also take the "What the fuck is this retarded mindset ?" a personal offense.
Fuck nerfs. What do you all want ? That we spend twice the time to do all the dailies that are already taking hours everyday ? What the fuck is this retarded mindset ?

Game is balanced around these "OP" characters. PvE at least. PvP was never balanced to begin with, that's why we see shit tons of Ania /Ru / ATP in CB every week, because people know they are "OP".

So what happens after yet another nerf? People will complain about the next top tier. And so on, and so on.

Both of the said "OP" characters have counters. Rack your brain to find them. And if you can't find them, play them and stop whining.
 

Sophistique

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Chunga is FOR SURE broken in xpvp and her dmg is not adjusted, she NEEDS to be nerfed. that's a no brainer

About pve ye well, very strong but fine i guess
 

Sophistique

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And rene caisse is way to broken in PVP, clique battle should be called Rene Caisse Battle. OP Range, OP dmg, boring.
 

Megamind

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wxpvp is all the game? every char that good in it have to be nerf? u throw all PVE player away just to satisfy u?
 

Dianmir

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wxpvp is all the game? every char that good in it have to be nerf? u throw all PVE player away just to satisfy u?
No, WorldPVP isn't the whole game. I have added following information to my post to clear things up:
Important to know for players: Adjustments to characters can be made so they affect only PVE or PVP.
A change doesn't mean it will affect both aspects of the game. Currently the issue seems to be more on the PVP-side of the game.
 
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Dianmir

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now, lets assume, chung get nerfed k. and no one play her anymore. eventually someone will come with OP character again. then everyone will ask nerfed the new char again cos its OP.
this game is always about meta char.
I don't understand why people in GE community always assume that a nerf means the character will become completly useless.
This is neither good for the game nor was that the plan.

In this case (just like with MSB and Canna) the idea is to bring the two mentioned characters into the same range as other premium characters.
As a result they would still be meta, Chungha would very likely stay best character.
 
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Penelope

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Well on the chungha topic , for Pve she's top tier , yes but like all other melees she dies quite fast unlike shooters because she does have to get close to bosses , and everyone knows that GE is not melee friendly =D. So for the Pve aspect i would say she's fine. Now for PvP i agree with what @aris77gr mentioned , she has the potential of 1shotting yes , but she's very squishy (most melee characters get def,immu, dr selbuffs) while she gets ar and all that . For "normal" pvp (field ,cw etc) i would say shes very strong but nowhere near as broken as rkess =D . Xworld is another story she literally just knocks u back and spacebars u, 1hits u and it's game over , yes u can go for flying characters and just make a meme out of her , sure thing until you get faced against a rkess and get faceslapped . With all that said i think she should get a nerf for xworld yes only. And for Rkess he just spacebars anything so idk .. i would say nerf him into the ground! but that unrealistic maybe make his stance have less IDE , def /immu ignore i think that "could" do the trick.
 
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kimchi85

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I don't understand why people in GE community always assume that a nerf means the character will become completly useless.
This is neither good for the game nor was that the plan.

In this case (just like with MSB and Canna) the idea is to bring the two mentioned characters into the same range as other premium characters.
As a result they would still be meta, Chungha would very likely stay best character.
how about buffing other rnpc too? hmm
 

Sophistique

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Yup i agree on that chunga part for pve. she got some minus points for sure. pve should be okay. just very broken in xpvp.

And about Rene caisse in Clique Battle and field pvp, it's just abnormal Overpowered. no matter ur gear, he can 1shot u from 15 meters.
There is a reason clique battle on any server is called Rene Caisse battle.
 

AetherFaust

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Disclaimer : Both are undeniably top ranked for owpvp/wxpvp

Open World PVP
Chungha - oneshot fiesta
RCaisse - oneshot fiesta

WXPVP
Chungha - Instant casts, low to almost no after cast delay - very big advantage
RCaisse - Instant casts, has mid to high after cast delay making him susceptible to other characters,

tldr : BOTH could use some adjustments, but I'm not experienced enough to know what.