[ACCEPTED]Forbid killing own secondary account on Clique Battle

Belligero

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What do you understand about CB. When you talk about it, I know you don't understand anything about the CB
If there's something I'm missing from your point of view, it's because you are doing a poor job explaining. That's just me giving you the benefit of the doubt.

The likelier scenario is that your argument lacks any substance and now you resort to personal attacks.
 

Dianmir

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Granado Espada first appeared in 2006
So far, I have been playing this game for 11 years, in the process of which I have changed a lot of Sever games.
Many friends also have many enemies.
Until now I still love this game, it gives me a feeling of adventure and explore new lands, conquer powerful bosses.
In the process there are players that have left and new players joining.
I thank all Age GMs for creating a new playground for all Granado Espada members, but I also wish that this playground would enter the path of other GE servers that were closed forever.
Do you have an eye on why previous servers have closed yet?
I will give my opinion about servers that are closed and about to close,
1. The main reason for those servers is that they do not allow new people to know the game or they do very modestly.
2. Gm is too deep into the game. (they create items that are too powerful to sell to a small number of players, or have preferences for a handful of players known as server VIPs)
3. Gm makes unreasonable rules.
Here are my personal opinion.
I hear my friends who are formerly Gm of Age have worked with GM of RGe. So you GM AGe, have you ever thought about why Rge is a free server but AGE. But why go into the situation like now?
Regarding the text I have marked in bold:
Whoever you are referring to is straight up a liar. There are no people beside Zax and me who are Game Masters or were Game Masters in the past.
As for rGE, I have been a former developer and game master there. The other people who used to be developers or game masters at rGE are either gone for years from the GE community or don't play on aGE.
 
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GhostMen

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Ok so explain to me why I don't understand it? I've only played this game since before CB existed. And nothing you said in any of your posts explained why we should have alt killing in CB.
oh. So let me ask why killing atl should be banned? (I want to hear from yourself)
and who kills alt in CB I don't care.
I only care about GM's disgrace when it comes to the law banning kill alt in CB.
 

GhostMen

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If there's something I'm missing from your point of view, it's because you are doing a poor job explaining. That's just me giving you the benefit of the doubt.

The likelier scenario is that your argument lacks any substance and now you resort to personal attacks.
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I have poor arguments because I am not good at English
 

GhostMen

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Regarding the text I have marked in bold:
Whoever you are referring to is straight up a liar. There are no people beside Zax and me who are Game Masters or were Game Masters in the past.
As for rGE, I have been a former developer and game master there. The other people who used to be developers or game masters at rGE are either gone for years from the GE community or don't play on aGE.
Thank you for your interest in my opinion.
I myself play the game because of passion. I do not want to change servers again, so the rules you put in place I am very concerned because it will directly affect the development of Age.
 

Dianmir

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Thank you for your interest in my opinion.
I myself play the game because of passion. I do not want to change servers again, so the rules you put in place I am very concerned because it will directly affect the development of Age.
I don't understand how a community rule could have impact on the actual game development.
Also nobody else has complained so far about this, I might remind you this is also forbidden on majority of other servers.
We are not taking a unique position here and rule will not be undone.
 

Virath

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oh. So let me ask why killing atl should be banned? (I want to hear from yourself)
and who kills alt in CB I don't care.
I only care about GM's disgrace when it comes to the law banning kill alt in CB.
You haven't answered the entire point of this thread, why is alt killing necessary? If you can't/won't even do that, how can you get mad at the GM for making it a rule?
  • Killing your own secondary account yields many Clique Battle points while there is no actual difficulty involved which negates other players efforts at achieving the same through actual PvP. In comparison, killing other players actually involves character choices, equipment, buffs, movement, etc. Mind you, the PvP shop has valuable items that are not obtainable by any other means.
  • This negates the efforts players are making on their own gear, skill, and pvp strategies to get high amounts of legitimate kills on the rankings.
  • This incentivizes creation and usage of more accounts than currently allow.
I sure hope your response is not solely to attack the reasons for removing it, because that would still not explain why we need it.

And let's not forget that most official servers already don't allow it, this is not exclusive to Andromida server.
 
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GhostMen

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I don't understand how a community rule could have impact on the actual game development.
Also nobody else has complained so far about this, I might remind you this is also forbidden on majority of other servers.
We are not taking a unique position here and rule will not be undone.
First of all, I apologize to you because until now I have just answered.
The two closest servers I've been working on for a long time are t3fun and Rge. but on these 2 servers I didn't get any rule about mute kill alt in CB.
So you can give specific evidence as to which servers have this rule and provide me the link to confirm this rule.
thank you
 

GhostMen

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You haven't answered the entire point of this thread, why is alt killing necessary? If you can't/won't even do that, how can you get mad at the GM for making it a rule?
  • Killing your own secondary account yields many Clique Battle points while there is no actual difficulty involved which negates other players efforts at achieving the same through actual PvP. In comparison, killing other players actually involves character choices, equipment, buffs, movement, etc. Mind you, the PvP shop has valuable items that are not obtainable by any other means.
  • This negates the efforts players are making on their own gear, skill, and pvp strategies to get high amounts of legitimate kills on the rankings.
  • This incentivizes creation and usage of more accounts than currently allow.
I sure hope your response is not solely to attack the reasons for removing it, because that would still not explain why we need it.

And let's not forget that most official servers already don't allow it, this is not exclusive to Andromida server.
According to your question, I can come to terms with accusing someone and forcing them to come up with the excuse of not committing a crime.
imposing a prohibition means explaining why it is forbidden, not making an argument why this is allowed.
so I don't need to explain that killing alt in Cb is necessary.
 

Belligero

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imposing a prohibition means explaining why it is forbidden, not making an argument why this is allowed.
We already explained why and it was approved.


so I don't need to explain that killing alt in Cb is necessary.
Necessary? Dude, you're hilarious.
If you can't or aren't willing to make any points as to why it should be allowed then you're beating a dead horse at this point.
 

Virath

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First of all, I apologize to you because until now I have just answered.
The two closest servers I've been working on for a long time are t3fun and Rge. but on these 2 servers I didn't get any rule about mute kill alt in CB.
So you can give specific evidence as to which servers have this rule and provide me the link to confirm this rule.
thank you
T3fun does not require a specific scenario to be outlined in their management policy to issue bans.

Instead all they will tell you is that GM's can ban at their own discretion to what is against the rules- whether outlined or not. T3Fun has issued permanent (non suspensions) to players that were accused of queueing up alt accounts in x-world alone. If you're killing your alt in clique battle and not receiving any warning, that's because no one gives two sh*ts to report you on that server to begin with. The GM's do not actively patrol or monitor anything that happens in T3Fun anymore and only act according to how many player reports they get on each player and how many reports came from players who spend money. When players were caught killing alts for clan skill points- T3Fun banned the alts involved and warned the mains (in the case of Candy faction). Neither of which are outlined in their management policy. I can say for sure that in the past the admin has commented on their forums that killing alts for any sort of gain was against the rules. However, there was a time years ago that the forums were completely wiped of all posts in general discussion. Which is why you can only go back and view posts there from 2017 and up even though they have existed since 2013.

This is the company that if you submit a ticket about the use of baron- will tell you that there is no limit to how many players you can kill with the system and in the same ticket require that you kill in moderation or will be warned/banned. They will ban you for any, and everything on that server, even when it contradicts their own rules. T3Fun is the worst example to bring up.
 
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Covid2020

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You keep getting heated over the topic and haven't provided a single reason this is a positive function for the server. If it's such a big deal to allow alt killing then what is your reasoning? Look at all of the cons that have been previously posted in this thread, and actually I would do a search on discord as most of the conversations were held there.

Biggest joke of this is you guys got people killing alts and its "effecting" yall so much to the point you gonna just tell GMs. Ive explained twice now That the system ALREADY in place worked completely fine. you on the other hand compared having multiple alts online at once to kill. which is against Community rules. which is bannable offense in its self. so like i said again IF soemone spending and hour an a half killing their ALT or ALTS. why does it affect you? even funnier that this is a bigger issue then people just running their alts into blades in XWorld since its been a thing in game. but nah no1 wants to address that.
 

Virath

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Virath said:
You keep getting heated over the topic and haven't provided a single reason this is a positive function for the server. If it's such a big deal to allow alt killing then what is your reasoning? Look at all of the cons that have been previously posted in this thread, and actually I would do a search on discord as most of the conversations were held there.
Biggest joke of this is you guys got people killing alts and its "effecting" yall so much to the point you gonna just tell GMs. Ive explained twice now That the system ALREADY in place worked completely fine. you on the other hand compared having multiple alts online at once to kill. which is against Community rules. which is bannable offense in its self. so like i said again IF soemone spending and hour an a half killing their ALT or ALTS. why does it affect you? even funnier that this is a bigger issue then people just running their alts into blades in XWorld since its been a thing in game. but nah no1 wants to address that.
Yet again you left out all of the reasons this was accepted and focus primarily on needing more than one alt to get the extremely high kill counts. Get over the extra alts, dude. 40 kills even on one alt is 40 kills too many. Also, why do I need to address the problems with other modes such as x-world in a thread about clique battle? That's the biggest bait to derail the thread as if it wasn't already going down hill with you and ghost providing a lack of valuable input.
Virath said:
a) Killing your own secondary account yields many Clique Battle points while there is no actual difficulty involved.
In comparison, killing other players actually involves character choices, equipment, buffs, movement, etc.
b) This incentivizes creation and usage of more accounts then we currently allow.
c) This negates the efforts players are making on their own gear, skill, and pvp strategies to get high amounts of legitimate kills on the rankings.
 
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