[NOTICE] Increasing player numbers & Server Costs

Dianmir

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Hello community!

Players have realized ingame and by chatting on Discord that our player numbers are still increasing. This means the server load is increasing and we will have to upgrade server sooner than later. Since we plan to introduce WorldPVP as soon as possible on top that we will need a third server.

Here is the problem: This will obviously increase the server operation costs by another 30-33%. Before we continue: Thank you to everybody who is playing the server, everybody who doesn't play but chats with our community on Discord and thank you to everybody who is donating.

While the player numbers increase weekly, the players who donate and/or buy items from cash shop stagnate. There is no reason to panic though. We are here to stay. We want to have an open and honest communication with our community though. We will need a long-term solution for this.

A - There are several ideas we have in mind and we would like to share them:
1. We make cash shop more attractive to players who don't want to invest real money.
Obviously this will require feedback, if you hesistate currently please tell us why.

2. We increase prices for Character Cards and Cosmetics (Weapon Costumes, Wings)
Yes I know, nobody likes higher prices, doesn't matter what the product is.


3. We introduce a variant of the "Lyndon Box" for GACHA/gambling.
Yes I know, majority of players doesn't like gambling. Ideas 1 and 2 don't guarantee more income to cover servers costs, while this does.
We already had players on Discord asking us if and when we would introduce such a box, in the past the answer has been no.
Looking at our current situation, my opinion has slightly changed.

4. We introduce an item called "Premium Journal" which works like Pioneer Journals.
Players can buy the journal and it runs for 30 days, when you login you get one preset item. Zero RNG involved.

5. We create a "Cash Shop Token" similar to what players know from other MMORPGs like WoW (WoW Token).
The token can be used in-game on a shop that offers a variety of items. There are maximum purchase amounts monthly.
These purchase limits prevent the whale-phenonem.

6. We create a medal called "Server VIP" or "Server Supporter" or "Server Donator" which is either cosmetic or provides very minor status points.
Example: 1 Penetration, 1 Immunity, 1 DEF

B - There are several changes that we won't do and those changes will not be up for discussion:
1. Sell any type of equipment on the cash shop.
2. Sell anything (beside consumables and EXP/Stance/Droprate Manuals) on the cash shop that can't be obtained from playing.
3. Sell Stance Manuals on the cash shop.

Now there might be players who say "no way they can't cover server costs, they must be making a fortune from running the server".
The short and simple answer is no, we aren't. I am doing this because I like the game and am currently working about 8-10hours/daily (7 days a week) on the server. That only works because I am on vacation, if I was to invest the same time into my actual job it would yield about 30-35x more money.

If you think all the ideas listed above are bad you can obviously write us some of your ideas.
 
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Sophistique

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Instead of the stupid LB system, why not do it like other MMO's WoW for example, just a monthy payment. way better than LB. If u add LB only a handfull players will spend 500 a month (Like at EU)
 
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waynemizuno

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There are several items can be combined into one package and sold for a discounted price. It will be like a monthly subscription for several useful items.

For example:

Custom Wing 30 days x 3 + Pioneer Premium + 30-day bullet boxes x 3 = 15-20 EUR

Weapon Costume x 3 package = 15 EUR

Reinforced Enchant Sedative x 1000 package = 15 EUR


I also like the idea of a monthly subscription to some journals which you can obtain items by logging in every day.
 

beezo911

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i like #4 and #5
make Cash shop tokens tradeable so ppl can make vis and get an access to the token shop insted of paying $$, this way can balance between p2w players and f2p players.

also intruding LB to the players is good, i'v always liked gambling in them specially if they give good stuff.
 

ArcherRojas

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I believe that the "Cash Shop token" and the ingame token shop could be a great idea and making tokens from 1 eur to 100 eur, this would make that people that doesnt really manage euros can afford to pay low toups but you can assure that this will end the result of people constantly buying Cash shop tokens also make em tradable ingame most people only play the free way so this would be good for everyone, also ofering bundles of itemss for a certain amount on the cash shop would help on attracting the attention of people that usally dont use the cashshop options
 

Sixorius

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You could add coupons for body and head costumes to the cash shop as well. I think many players would rather buy them with gold to save up som feso.
 

AetherFaust

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#4 / #5 / #6 works for me. especially no #4. Adding different varieties of #4 would be nice as well so you could spread out items.

Ie : Karin's Journal (Karin Pots) , Hrin's Journal (Consumables) , Andre's Journal (Costumes)
 

Dianmir

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I will reserve this post and list here later what we will do in detail.
 

Sophistique

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Gold tradable and the journal idea I like and I am quite sure it will bring some money . On old rge a lot of people bought gold just to sell it for vis .
 
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moukanjyo

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This might sound stupid, but you can work around how Letizia Boxes from EU are and either add/change/remove stuff from there that it can also be obtainable in game (but a very low percentage), either make it as a package giving rewards that are not game-breaking or high-end items.
A monthly fee to play the game won't work on GE - as some people might be playing for fun, design (only playing it because i like the characters this game has to offer), nostalgia, happy moments and so on.
In my opinion, costumes should be Cash Shop and very very hard to get in-game - i for one, would pay $$ to buy costumes - it makes me happy, it helps the server and it doesn't cause side-effects to the game's economy. Prices for them can be put up for debate or make a poll.

This is all i can think of at the moment.
 
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Dianmir

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Here is our plan to handle the situation.

1. The Cash Shop on the website will be cleaned up. On the website you can only buy "Andromida Token" anymore. Think of it as a cash shop token, you can trade it with other players and/or use it to talk to the "Andromida Token Merchant" located at City of Auch.

2. That Token Shop has all the items that used to be on cash shop on website previously. The price for 1 "Andromida Token" is 0,01 EUR.
You can buy as many tokens as you want. The prices for cash shop items remain the same, few items have been made cheaper.

2. Following items will be added to the cash shop with maintenance today.
  • Item "Soul Crystal" has been added, price is 0,02 EUR, purchase limit per month is 2500 Soul Crystal.
  • Item "Period Wing Exchange Coupon" has been added, price is 0,25 EUR.
  • Think of these two items below as a possibility to show that you support the server in-game with a nice benefit on top.
  • Item "Donator's Medal (7 days)", gives ATK+2%, DEF+3, HP+1000, SP+200, price is 1,- EUR.
  • Item "Donator's Medal (30 days)", gives ATK+2%, DEF+3, HP+1000, SP+200, price is 3,- EUR.
3. A Pioneer Journal called "Premium Pioneer Journal" will be introduced. The price is 25,- EUR, the value is about 30,- EUR.
The item is temporary and can be used for 30 days. It contains 20 items, so you need to login for 20 days to claim 1 item per day.
I can't guarantee at this moment that we will make it on todays maintenance, in worst case next week.
 
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Inmutef

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Instead of the stupid LB system, why not do it like other MMO's WoW for example, just a monthy payment. way better than LB. If u add LB only a handfull players will spend 500 a month (Like at EU)
Good limits, choose for yourself?
 

Inmutef

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If someone does not have money, do not replenish. Why limit the purchase of someone? You have already done everything possible so that people can do without donat. People ask for restrictions only because they cannot afford more, this is obvious. Have you thought about those players who cannot afford anything at all?
 

Bluelords

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if people want to gamble make a gamble section, for those who want to be secure make them get items directly, server is fresh so ofc people are afraid to buy anything if not knowing if a pirate server will survive and how will update. I hope the server last and we get as much fun as possible. But you will need to start look in game as well i heard already voices about rmting and alt abusing, just go check rion dungeon. I will give my cash when i will be sure the server is stable and here to stay in the meantime i am watching what you gonna do. Good luck
 
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